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    September 6, 2012
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friday, you have him to think. the magic brought the nfl back. he spent 17 years of his life living in baltimore and his choice to do so has change the way we think about weekends in the fall. >> he was called -- he expected he would call cleveland home. financial struggles and uncooperative politicians brought him to baltimore. he was returned to the nfl. it prevented him from returning. >> he never looked back after making the move but he also never tried to hide how torn he felt making the decision that would shape his legacy. >> no matter how promising, i love the city of baltimore and the people here. there similar in make up here to
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baltimore as it is in cleveland. it hurt terribly to see the last game. >> only five seasons after clinging to the nfl back to baltimore and baltimore back to the nfl, he dedicated the trophy to the citizens of baltimore. >> think you very much. -- thank you very much. to the people in baltimore city, the people in baltimore county, and to the state of maryland, this belongs to you. >> his love of the game never wavered. from an early age, he recognized football and his life would become a marriage of passion and destiny. >> what brought me to begin with was my passion for football. i saw my first football game at this field in 1934.
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the dodgers against the giants. and i was hooked. it has been good to me and i hope i have been good to the game. >> not only did to the game but the business. he played a pivotal role in expanding the television presence and had the vision to launch monday night football. if well his legacy will forever differ in the history books written in cleveland from those written in baltimore, it is in tact -- and his impact stretches beyond the city and beyond the time line of his own life. >> i want you to enjoy this and my children to stay in the sport. i am happy with what i have done over the years. a lot of firsts in this league that can be laid at my doorstep and i am thrilled to be part of the growth of this business. >> a former advertising man who grow in new york, he spent his life pursuing what other size and possible. a family man, a businessman, a football man.
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he knew phases -- success in all phases of his life immortality eluded him. he saw hall of fame voters deny him entry to canton. his legacy must do his bidding. he completed the sale of the ravens and that would lead to a personal relationship that transcended power, money, and tunnels. like so many, his sense of loss straddled lines between football and friendship. >> my heart breaks for them. we lost [unintelligible] most people who knew their love for each other figure that he would rather be with her than with us. >> it will hold a silent public tribute to art modell. his casket will be placed on
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the field. pan -- fans can pay tribute. fans are encouraged to wear purple. people are paying their respects to the man who led them to choose the name the ravens when they first arrived, making the city of football again. much more in reaction from the fans. >> i will tell you what kind of guy he was. a friend of mine, of baltimore city police officer was in an accident. he was escorting one of the buses and he was hurt and had been hospitalized. he was fine but the next day who was there, art modell and his wife. visiting the officer to make sure he was all right. everyone loves art modell. >> ladies and gentlemen and friends --
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>> for fans, art modell was their night in shining armor. the man who brought football back to baltimore. >> he created not only football back to baltimore but helped create a first-class franchise that puts out a good product year after year. >> his bringing football back. >> it was said as. he did a lot for this town and i think we will miss him. >> a good man. he did a lot for the community. >> whenever i saw him he was always cordial and pleasant. he loved his family, football, and his players, and folks knew that about him. >> he was a great man. i loved him. he >> he was a great man. a very wonderful man. he will be missed. >> we are said and he will be missed.
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-- we are sad. >> he brought the team to baltimore and will miss him. >> for all the fans who loved the baltimore coach, and were broken hearted when they left, one man said it all. >> he came to our city and he took my heart back to me. i lost the colts and he brought my heart back. that is how i feel about that man. >> he was 87 years old. reporting live, wbal tv 11 news. >> thank you. many more from the ravens nation are sharing their condolences. you can see their messages on wbaltv.com. >> the hartford county law enforcement community is in mourning after a share of died in the line of duty. he was driving an agency car when he crashed into a tree in the 4700 block of route 1.
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a motorist called 911 using his police radio. the corporal was pronounced dead at the scene. authorities have ruled out foul play and distracted driving as possible causes. we will have more on the investigation and on the corporal nella 6 pm >> the man convicted of killing an empty police a officer by slamming his pickup truck into the officer posing cruiser will spend two more years in prison. it was in two dozen for when pickup truckelli's hit the back of a cruiser. that crash killed officer ducke aaron the third. >> the gunman remains at large. detectives say it is -- it 10:00 p.m. fore t
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the man was demanding to see a person whom the president did not know. he fired several shots. that woman is being treated at vean area hospital. she is expected to recover. >> still warm and muggy. temperatures cooling off but not until the weekend. we will have to keep an eye on the radar to see any thunderstorms pop-up. here in the baltimore and central maryland area, up to no. frederick county. that is what to watch. no lightning strikes associated with it. heavier showers but they seem to be quieting down after some torrential rain that moved off the coast in the past hour or so. we're seeing a drier weather pattern. for most of the state, isolated storms to concern ourselves with. another hot and steamy one for the weekend. more on that in the seven-day in
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a couple minutes. >> it will be a huge night tonight at camden yards as the orioles get ready to kick off a four game series. the the iron man is about to go along. .e're live in orioles park >> the atmosphere here in camden yards is like we have not seen in 15 years or maybe 17 years. fans have been waiting to get in for hours now. the gates have just opened, ready to go inside and see the unveiling. it was a statue for cal ripken, jr. as he joins the other legends come in here, hall of famers who will be remembered in bronze. this is what looked like before, the calm before the storm as we see the statue still covered up, hoping in a personal way that the statute is one that -- it is
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an iconic moment and photo that would be perfect for cal ripken, jr.. getting ready to face the yankees. the iron man record -- i had a chance to catch up with adam jones and he talked to me about what it means. talking about the former face of the orioles. >> it is an incredible day for this organization, for the city. we're almost guaranteed the crowd because of cal ripken, jr.. we're playing and the importance of the series -- is good for the city and we are taking advantage of it and play the game of baseball. >> play the game the right way. the orioles and yankees, first place on the line. we will talk about that at 6:00 p.m. and also at 5:45 p.m.
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we will show you what the statue of the iron man looks like. next door to camden yards. petraeus. >> it is easy to get confused. >> coming up people may have seen what we're talking about. police call it a tragedy waiting to happen. >> that can have some deadly consequences. what troopers say they have to stop right now. >> the student shot on this high school campus is making progress. more on my conversation with his father.
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anncr: it'll start out as concrete and steel... but it'll become so much more. a new world-class resort casino in maryland. two thousand construction jobs to build it. four thousand permanent, good-paying jobs when it's done. hundreds of millions for maryland schools...
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real oversight to make sure the money goes... where it's supposed to. but none of it will happen unless we vote for... question seven this november. vote for question seven. and help build a better future for maryland.
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>> state police say it is a potential tragedy waiting to happen. they're cracking down on a growing problem along the jfx. more truck drivers are parking along interstate 83 especially in baltimore county.
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that is opening the door for some dangerous situations. state police will be cracking down where we are told it is happening the most starting tomorrow. according to the ntsb, parking on the shoulder of a controlled access highway or their race can be a factor in serious and if unstable crashes. drivers should plan ahead and make arrangements and if they have to park along the interstate, get off the road. do not park on the interstate. >> the 17-year-old student shot a week ago has been upgraded to stable condition. >> after being in critical condition that is an improvement. tim tutan joins us with that interview. >> a miracle in the making. his improvement is nothing but bad news for his family but tonight we continue our conversation with his father in the lobby of their church. >> such a strong kid.
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strong-willed, strong minded, a strong body. tend to overlook that. he is not out of the woods. >> his son has already made tremendous progress but he and his family realized danny will have to do with more medical challenges. >> he will be a happy kid again. it could have been worse. >> he talks about seeing his son for the first time after the shooting. >> to walk into that room, i went into shock trauma and to see the breath, see him breathing is all i needed. >> it is too early to talk about whether he will go back to my school after he recovers but it is something that he and his
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wife, rose mary, and family members will have to decide. >> you talk about it, go over it. it will be a while for her to be comfortable, no doubt. we talked a lot about daniel. >> you have talked about being aware as parents that there are some things that parents can glean from this tragedy. what is it? >> parents. the word means something. you are a parent, know what your kid is doing. get involved in your kid's life. know have your kid is feeling. >> again, daniel 's condition has been upgraded to stable. his church is accepting donations on the family's behalf.
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>> doctors are calling for better packaging for laundry and dishwasher detergent capsules to make them child resistant. poison called center stations are increasing -- reporting an increase in calls about children consuming the pods. doctors published a letter in scotland about five cases of kids under the age of two who had to be hospitalized. they contain strong alkaline cleaning agents that can destroy tissue and blocked airways. they're often much more potent than typical detergent. technology is helping the fight against breast cancer. you might be surprised to know who developed it. a 17-year-old developed a program to diagnose breast cancer. it was a big winner in the google science of action
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competition. the program rates these images and the computer connects the dots to determine if the tumor is benign or malignant. she is saving lives while still in high school, an amazing growth. it was an exciting warm -- morning for us here. the doctor with a household name and the m. e. award winning show stopped by the news studios. dr. oz was answering questions and giving sound advice on health as he looks at the next season. you'll hear about his first order of business and get his top three get healthy ideas coming up in the next half-hour. >> now, your 11 insta- weatherplus forecast with chief meteorologist tom tasselmyer. >> the game downtown baltimore this evening, it will be ok as far as showers and storms popping up around the area. most are not in the immediate area. we will see -- will not see too
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much developing. a slight chance of the storm in the next hour but we will keep an eye on it. the activity is in northern frederick county. a slow-moving cell, no lightning associated with it, just a shower. very slow-moving and not a direct threat. the heavy storms by ocean city have moved off the coast in the past couple of hours. the torrential downpours have left the coast and moved out over the open water. checking the total amount of precipitation on the lower eastern shore, in the past 24 hours we have had spots around baltimore where you can work -- where you catch a brief shower. about 0.5 of 1 inch. 3 inches to 5 inches of rain. a real dredging down that way. you can see the impact it had on temperatures.
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63 degrees at ocean city right now. we're running into the mid-80's. it is still quite monday. a risk of a shower popping up but it is less than a 20% chance that any one spot gets hit. otherwise it will be partly cloudy and muggy. 73 downtown. 7 -- sunset at 7:29 p.m. this is moving off the coast and another one will slide in. a couple of isolated storms along that front and a third one, the stronger one over the northern plains states behind it. there is a batch of fall-like air. some of that clear will be sweeping south and east in getting here the second half of the weekend. it will take a couple of days but the seven-day forecast starts to look very fall-like. another muggy day for tomorrow. sunshine until those isolated
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storms pop-up. one -- high tide is at 11:40 a.m. we will see a mix of clouds and sun tomorrow. that stronger front moves in to the mountains on saturday. showers and storms and 69 degrees. cooler sunday into monday in western maryland. hot and humid with a slight chance of a storm and showers and storms are likely saturday afternoon and evening. down to the coast, sunny skies tomorrow. a welcome change and storms arrive in the evening and saturday. the insta-weatherplus 70 forecast calls for skies to the senate tomorrow with this -- a slight chance for storms and thundershowers saturday. breezy and slightly cooler, a great football weather on monday. highs in the 70's and those in the 50's. >> thank you. it is the democratic convention's big night tonight. president obama's says he will
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share his vision for the future. prexy has -- >> he has two anncr: it'll start out as concrete and steel... but it'll become so much more. a new world-class resort casino in maryland. two thousand construction jobs to build it. four thousand permanent, good-paying jobs when it's done. hundreds of millions for maryland schools... real oversight to make sure the money goes... where it's supposed to. but none of it will happen unless we vote for... question seven this november. vote for question seven. and help build a better future for maryland.
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>> president obama will make his case for another four years. >> he will deliver his acceptance speech before the faithful at the convention in charlotte. >> the message is aimed at those nationwide especially those who are undecided. we have a preview. >> good evening. but president's speech will be a balancing act for him as he tries to convince americans he deserves another four years. his message will focus on the choice americans have in this election. >> talk about where we have been, what we have done, it has been a couple challenging years. >> he will lay out or road map
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for the future. >> where would he take the country and to balance those two things against attacks and mitt romney. >> the threat of severe weather forced a venue change to a smaller indoor arena. leaving no room for tens of thousands who had planned to attend. the president held a conference call with disappointed to get holders. >> my main message is you cannot let thunder and lightning get us down. we will have to roll with it. while we may not be able to be together in person, i hope you will gather together in community watch parties. >> he will have a difficult argument to make. >> we're getting better but we know you are still hurting and we're not where we want to be but it is not with the other guy. >> some say there will be looking for specifics. >> i want to hear that veterans will be cared for. that children are going to be taken care of. >> for others, the message does
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not matter. >> i will be there jumping off and tried to sneak in my time and support the president. >> right now they are hearing t"the star-spangled banner," from one of the many acts this evening. >> we have some breaking his right now. state police are engaged in some sort of vehicle pursued. we have the latest. what is going on? >> howard county started this. this vehicle was wanted, there was a warrant for the individual operating this vehicle. they tried to stop in howard county. the suspect took off. this vehicle is traveling at a high rate of speed in the inner loop of the beltway. coming up on i-95 with police
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cars following along with a helicopter. he is calling out where the vehicle is going. this has gone across all the way to 97. nella the inner loop of the beltway coming onto i-95. getting ready to run into some heavy traffic. all we know is the suspect, there is a warrant for the suspect but police are trying to make a safe apprehension. it looks like this individual is try to work his way southbound from the baltimore beltway. we will update you as we get more information. you want us to stay with this? the vehicle is in the process of going southbound on i-95. i have to do some talking with the tower so one second.
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>> i have a quick question for you. as we see this car moving around on a major interstate, how do the vehicles know that the police -- to the have sirens and lights on? i see cars getting out of the way so they do not get involved in some kind of accident. >> the one has his lights and siren on. you can see he is driving up the shoulder of the road. there you go. right now, this vehicle is southbound on 95 back toward howard county. he is in baltimore county right now. as you see, this individual does not want to be apprehended. can you hold for one second? i will have to -- the guy stopped. it looks like they got the suspect stopped. >> that is a good thing. >> they're taking him down right now. we're southbound on i-95.
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i think we're still stay up here. they are doing a felony stock. the police department is in the process of doing a felony stop. the individual realizes between the helicopter and the police car, he will not be able to get away. he has pretty much know where to go although i have seen before where they tried to take a guy down, all the sudden, they will try and take off as the officers approached him. >> the officers have their guns drawn. >> they do and they stopped traffic. they have stopped traffic southbound 95 south of the beltway and the southwest side. there is still a lot going on here. there is unmarked cars as well as marked cars and they're getting the individual out of the vehicle as we speak. it looks like this will be terminated here shortly and they have made an apprehension of the suspect. >> what is the standard police policy in cases like this? >> different agencies have different policies but the other
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thing is the individual may have had a gun. a female that is armed. that is the other thing they were concerned about. in this pursuit -- it went from quite a ways. all the way around bwi up to baltimore county where the apprehension has been made. southbound 95 has been shut down while they deal with this apprehension of the pursuit. it looks like there is not anything -- any injuries. >> they took him into custody pretty handily there. >> they could not have done it without their helicopter. if they were not able to work the ground units when he was driving erratically, being able to report to the guys on the ground exactly what was going on. this may have had a different
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outcome. police have responded to the scene to assist with traffic and the apprehension. >> it looks like a second person taken into custody, a passenger in the vehicle? >> the passenger allegedly had a gun. that is the of the concern. i do not have the full investigation -- information on the investigation. they had a description and spotted the car and tried to stop the car. the car took off. i'm sure there is more to this investigation that what we're seeing. in order for the ability to continue -- >> traffic is moving again on southbound 95. > we're trying to -- >> we're talking with the bwi tower. the helicopter has left the scene.
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things will get easier here for us to cover this. two lanes of southbound 95 shutdown but we will try to get more information on what transpired with this. reporting live from skyteam 11, i am capt. roy taylor. >> very nice job, thank you. police in anne arundel county want to know how a 5-year-old boy consumed methadone. >> breaking details in the murder trial of drew peterson. the jury has reached a verdict. >> this city deserves the best weekend. they took this in as the new kid on the block. >> he was the father of the baltimore ravens. always had a kind word for the city
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>> live, local, late breaking. you're watching wbal tv 11 is at 5:00 p.m. with stan stovall and donna hamilton. insta-weatherplus forecast with chief meteorologist tom tasselmyer and skyteam 11 covering breaking news where you live. wbaltv.com is at 5:00 p.m. continues now. >> right now, people across baltimore continued to mourn the loss of the man considered to be the founding father of the baltimore ravens. art modell passed away this morning. >> those who knew him best took
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time to reflect on his life this morning in owings mills. >> the way he was to not just his kids to many men. it is always hard. the greatest thing that life offers is opportunity to help someone. he was one of those guys, he was one of those spirits. >> based on all the texts and e-mails and fall calls, i have gotten some people, the impact that not only he had in my life, he had a major impact. >> to see the people in that room -- to see them salute art,
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it was powerful. >>modell was passionate about his team but he was also passionate about the fans, including the marching band. we continue team coverage. >> the sports legend museum at tandem -- camden yards holds plenty of sports history. staff of the museum paid tribute to art modell. >> not only did we lose of owner but a friend. he will always be remembered here as -- at sports legends. >> he had a unique friendship with the former owner. it was a band leader for the marching band before the football team packed up in the dark of night. a major loss for the band who
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were without the team. the band continued to play and took on the role of ambassador. the band wanted to be part of an nfl team once again. modell made that possible. >> he took a chance and he called his buddies in the nfl and next thing you know we were doing games with the steelers and the patriots. >> he also brought back the marching band, making them the official band of the team. they're known as baltimore's marty ravens. 40 years ago officials were concerned that art modell would not be inducted into the hall of fame. they decided to chip in and buy this blacklisting his accomplishments and present it to him during a special ceremony. >> that is the last thing you see because we wanted to make
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sure it is modell in your mind. what art modell did for the city of baltimore. he cared about the fans and adored the fans. he said there were the best -- the most important commodity next to the players. >> when art modell moved his team, it was one of the most controversial decisions about his career but he was always very grateful to the city of baltimore. in 2001 before the afc championship game, he said -- he sat down with jane miller and he was quite candid about the move. he talked about the rest. here's a portion of that interview. >> it has been a year of the unexpected and the unbelievable. his star linebacker started the year in handcuffs after super bowl party and ended as the lead's best defensive player.
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on the brink of a super bowl appearance. >> the episode was a nightmare for everyone. especially rate. he did not deserve it. it was political. it was down to motivate people politically and it was not fair and unjust. he is a man's man. he came back in condition and ready to play. with everything he had to show people that is what he is here 4. >> that loyalty is mirrored by the new loyalty that developed between baltimore and the ravens. it started almost as a blind date. he chose to move his team from cleveland to a more lucrative deal in baltimore. the relationship required patience. the new ravens struggled to put on a quality show. but then came 2000, the playoffs and the epidemic of ravens fever. >> the city has embraced this and it is up to us to deliver.
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this city deserves the best we can offer. it took a san as the new kid on the block and is welcome. >> the crowd rose to its feet in recognition of art modell. >> i could not contain myself. it was an experience i never had before ever. >> the nfl patriarch has found a new home. >> coming here to baltimore is a great experience for my family. you keep losing games in cleveland, even here in the early years and i was a tired of asking them to stop the car. there was no food taster for a long time. >> fans are being given an
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opportunity to pay their respects. viewing will take place from 11 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. his casket will be placed on the field. suggesting ravens fans wear their purple. >> it should be a remarkable day. stay with us.
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>> a man is under arrest after police say his son somehow interested metho -- interested -- ingested methodone. authorities not only found illegal methadone, but also cocaine, marijuana, and methamphetamine. charges could be filed against an additional suspect in the
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home. >> jurors convicted drew peterson of murdering his third wife. this ended the sensational 5- year story that began after the former illinois police officer's fourth wife banister. he pleaded not guilty to the murder of his third wife whose body was found in her drive bathtub in 2004. he faces a maximum 60-year prison term with the sentencing on november 26. >> one of the biggest names in medical tb is paying a visit. >> dr. oz is in our studios this afternoon. he talks t
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anncr: it'll start out as concrete and steel... but it'll become so much more. a new world-class resort casino in maryland. two thousand construction jobs to build it. four thousand permanent, good-paying jobs when it's done. hundreds of millions for maryland schools... real oversight to make sure the money goes... where it's supposed to. but none of it will happen unless we vote for... question seven this november. vote for question seven. and help build a better future for maryland.
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>> good afternoon. coming up on 11 is at 6:00 p.m., he is considered a founding father of the baltimore ravens. today we say goodbye to the team's former owner, art model. -- modell. a deputy was killed in a single car crash. why several people refuse to leave his side. the president to is excepting his party's nomination. who else will be taking the stage on the last night of
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>> showers in the area but 0.02
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of 1 inch measured at the airport today. the september total is 0.8 of 1 inch. where drilling normal by over 5 inches. some have been drenched by ocean city. 85 degrees today, another warmer than normal day. the normal is 81 and is warm and muggy for most areas. showers are cooling things off. mid 60's in the suburbs. less than 20% chance of a storm, otherwise it will be partly cloudy. storms are working their way through. another one " -- comes through tomorrow morning and a third arrives saturday evening. there is some fall-like air for next week. tomorrow still feels like summer. arrest of an afternoon storm. mostly sunny and humid. temperatures at 90 and a couple storms pop up in the afternoon.
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waves averaging on the bay at 1 foot. temperatures are warmer tomorrow. reecy in cooler, less humid on sunday. good football weather on monday. -- breezy and cooler, less humid on sunday. >> we want to go back to that breaking news we told you about in the last hour. skyteam 11 catching a police pursuit in progress. it began in jessup inand went through anne arundel county. one suspect had to be taken into custody. we will brief you -- bring you all the late breaking details. the hartford county sheriff's deputy -- we will shed some light into the crash. you know his name and you have heard his advice. dr. oz stopped by the wbaltv.com
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studios. find a -- find out what his first order of business is this
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anncr: this casino's in west virginia. but it makes millions off marylanders every year. now they're running dishonest ads. why? because voting for question seven is a vote to build a... world-class resort casino in maryland. creating thousands of jobs and... ...according to the official department of legislative... services, hundreds of millions for our schools. while saving taxpayer money by cutting casino subsidies.
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question seven. good jobs and better schools in maryland. not west virginia. >> captain roy taylor a very busy man. a shooting in southwest baltimore. bring us up-to-date. >> sparrow and ramsey streets. we do not know the condition of
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the victim but we can tell you witnesses have told police where the suspect is. they have requested a tactical unit to respond to try and apprehend a suspect involved in the shooting. be advised if you are in farrell and ramsey. we will try to get more information for you. i am capt. roy taylor. >> he got his start on the oprah winfrey show and al dr. oz is a household name. he hosts his own show that airs right here. season three of the dr. oz show starts on monday. he came by our studios and we talked about the success of the show and what we can expect this season. >> what people are searching for is a healer in their life. >> dr. oz likes to think of himself as a healer and has become a tv star. he says the price of that fame
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is dealing with unscrupulous vendors try to capitalize on his popularity. he said the first order of business, taking back his name. >> there are all kinds of vendors selling stuff on the web. you see my name and my picture. i walked into stores and their boise the aisle. how do they know what they put in that file? >> he wants to make it clear he does not sell or endorse any product. >> we're starting off with clear definitions of what i think is worth doing. you we should -- we should make it easy to do the right thing. >> there are three basic principles. each real food, do three bags of activity, and realize your purpose in life and this heart surgeon will include some less traditional but he believes just as valuable medical advice. >> is unconventional. something we had to learn about in medical school. whether it is -- [inaudible]
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all these are brought to the forefront. we're sitting in our home. we have those tools in front of us. many of them are old tools. that is why they're still in existence. >> the new season kicks off monday at 3:00 p.m. right here on wbal tv 11. >> we look forward to it. that is all for us at 5:00 p.m. here is what is coming up 6 pm >> remember ring -- remembering art modell. a live report coming next. >> a share for died in the line of duty. details ahead. >> you are watching wbal tv 11. live, local, late breaking, this is 11 news at 6:00 p.m. >> he cared about the fans, he adored the fans and he said the
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are the most important commodity next to the players. >> those words from the deputy director of the sports legends museum in response to the death of the baltimore ravens owner, art modell. to many, he was considered the founding father of modern day football. >> he passed away peacefully this morning at johns hopkins hospital at the age of 87. to gerryto -- let's go sandusky. >> he was the most popular. he sacrificed his legacy in cleveland when he left in the mid-90's. he is the final chapter to make baltimore his home and to make baltimore home to the nfl again. his portrait dominates the lobby. his name stands for the ring of honor